tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post114606990625818087..comments2024-01-13T08:02:30.520-06:00Comments on THE TOAD REPORT: Why I am a 9/11 DemocratToad734http://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146991893666217542006-05-07T03:51:00.000-05:002006-05-07T03:51:00.000-05:00oh yeah, and nobody cares about american gay marri...oh yeah, and nobody cares about american gay marriage in the middle east (I'm not speculating, I have been there). all the things that joe weiss referred to as reasons they hate us is just what their government propaganda uses to induce hate. what it really comes down to though, is mistrust. and that's shared by the most democrat, most intellectual and least religious groups of people in the middle east (they do exist). and lets be honest, not the hatred, but the mistrust is 100% fair.workyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16555682331265383185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146991311299411922006-05-07T03:41:00.000-05:002006-05-07T03:41:00.000-05:00I definitely agree with the last point. The US is ...I definitely agree with the last point. The US is really not trusted by the people of middle east because every time there was some movement toward democracy or for the benefit of the people (eg. the nationalization of oil industry in Iran), the US made sure to interfere (with a coup for example) and basically sent that country back 100 years. (imagine after the emancipation proclamation france attacking the white house and kicking the president out). so now it's kind of hard to convince those people that we go there for their own good! (liberation!)workyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16555682331265383185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146713014988980182006-05-03T22:23:00.000-05:002006-05-03T22:23:00.000-05:00Great post! Nicely said.Great post! Nicely said.slade73https://www.blogger.com/profile/02011177497447248051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146583135544772442006-05-02T10:18:00.000-05:002006-05-02T10:18:00.000-05:00Actually the Cole attack happened at the end of Cl...Actually the Cole attack happened at the end of Clintons term. Once they had all the info on that Bush had already been elected. Those files were turned over to the Bush administration and they threw them in the garbage over fears of getting their hands sticky I guess.<BR/><BR/>The gay marriage shit is just icing on top of the cake for them. Our support of israel and our tendencies to support dictators in their countries (such as Saddam and the Shaw) are the other main reasons they hate us. We are indeed arraogant assholes to the rest of the world. <BR/><BR/>How much press do you really think gay marriage gets in the middle east?Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146581772083623472006-05-02T09:56:00.000-05:002006-05-02T09:56:00.000-05:00Not all of us would have accused him of wagging th...Not all of us would have accused him of wagging the dog. Had Clinton actually tracked down the people behind the African Embassy attacks, and the USS Cole Attack, and if he had accepted it when a not so friendly country offered to hand over Osama Bin Laden, we wouldn't have had to worry about 9/11. The same thing can be said of the first Trade Tower attack. We should have gone after them then. <BR/><BR/>As usual, you and I will disagree with why the muslim's hate us. I don't think it has anything to do with being a democrat or republican. I think it has more to do with the way our country is sinking in a morase of iniquity. A deeply religious people, like the Muslim's are bothered by Gay rights, open demonstrations of Gay lifestyle, open pornography, open thievery. I think in their eyes, we have become the great satan. <BR/><BR/> However, if the way they live is the way they want us to live, I'll take our lifestyle over theirs. At least here, a woman can walk down the street sans burka, and not worry about being attacked if she goes to work.<BR/><BR/>Do we disagree again? Or can find some middle ground?Joe Wiesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246928853750647605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146577112703994042006-05-02T08:38:00.000-05:002006-05-02T08:38:00.000-05:00But to say terrorism had its roots in the Clinton ...But to say terrorism had its roots in the Clinton era is false. Again, its the policies of the conservative wing in this county that have created a lot of this hostility towards the US. Should Clinton have done more after the African Embassy attacks? Of course, but would Republicans have just accused him of wagging the dog with a war?Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146510362949682732006-05-01T14:06:00.000-05:002006-05-01T14:06:00.000-05:00I agree that any other president would have reacte...I agree that any other president would have reacted pretty much the same as Bush (in the beginning - not the Iraq thing), but I'm not so sure that a Democrat would have handled things any better. Clinton was in office when the "Black Hawk Down" fiasco in Somalia occurred. 9/11 didn't just materialize after Bush came into office, same as with our troops with our poorly supported troops. Both of those have roots in the Clinton administration. Besides, Democrats are known for having the organizational capability of cheese.<BR/><BR/>Bottom line - the American public got screwed in the last election. Not counting die-hards, I think most swing voters wanted Bush out of office, but didn't view Kerry as much of an improvement.Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08040058320473775641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146315710456408512006-04-29T08:01:00.000-05:002006-04-29T08:01:00.000-05:00I have self-labeled myself as having a pre-9-11 me...I have self-labeled myself as having a pre-9-11 mentality. Before 9-11, I knew there were people who hated the US. I knew they would give up their lives to kill us, even at the cost of their own lives. I knew that a man who doesn't care about his life can accomplish anything. Call me a pessimist, but when 9-11 happened, the first thought that went through my head was 'oh, it's finally happened.'<BR/><BR/>Then people started talking about how the 'World had changed' and acting like we should now get massively aggressive with our foreign policy (to everyone but Saudi Arabia) & sheepishly compliant when it came to civil rights. I saw people hoarding plastic and duct tape and wetting their pants thinking "the terrorists" could attack their town of 150 people. All the time, all I could think was, 'we are giving them exactly what they wanted, we are giving them exactly what they wanted, we are giving them exactly what they wanted". That's my pre 9-11 mentalityNewsBlog 5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/16000509600519901799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1146246077537191442006-04-28T12:41:00.000-05:002006-04-28T12:41:00.000-05:00People that call themselves that don’t know what t...People that call themselves that don’t know what the hell they are talking about. Real wingnut Republicans use that term “9/11 Republican” to fool people into thinking that if you are not with them you’re with terror... and a common reply from a person like that would be: Why do you hate America?<BR/><BR/>Self proclaimed 9/11 Republicans = idiots^2Nölffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12166270944665518804noreply@blogger.com