tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post112368366251054004..comments2024-01-13T08:02:30.520-06:00Comments on THE TOAD REPORT: Jesus Speaks Out Against Public PrayerToad734http://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125599918151645072005-09-01T13:38:00.000-05:002005-09-01T13:38:00.000-05:00Toad, Always trust you to come up with some intere...Toad, <BR/><BR/>Always trust you to come up with some interesting pics!<BR/><BR/>-JackJack Mercerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02795237301625999594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125286810725602952005-08-28T22:40:00.000-05:002005-08-28T22:40:00.000-05:00RE: MikeCreationism is full of even more holes; in...RE: Mike<BR/><BR/>Creationism is full of even more holes; in fact, it's all holes, there isn't one single part of it that stands up to any scientific scrutiny; let’s talk about and address that. At least evolution is mostly complete; creationism has yet to even pop the cork.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125270365357673792005-08-28T18:06:00.000-05:002005-08-28T18:06:00.000-05:00hehehehe!!! some nice pics there!! :)hehehehe!!! some nice pics there!! :):)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08375363210196404018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125259329547684642005-08-28T15:02:00.000-05:002005-08-28T15:02:00.000-05:00RE: MikeWho says the people who pray at football g...RE: Mike<BR/><BR/>Who says the people who pray at football games and every where else arent doing it just to be seen?Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125100550683350562005-08-26T18:55:00.000-05:002005-08-26T18:55:00.000-05:00Re, If "Congress shall make no law respecting an e...Re, If "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" then how can you outlaw someone's right to pray? <BR/><BR/>Spontaneous prayers by everyday people at football games -- wait, even ORGANIZED prayers by everyday people at football games is one thing. A teacher, or administrator, or even a student, leading a prayer, on the loudspeaker, at a football game, is another. And it's that last thing that, arguably, that is an "establishment of religion" in that it is the school system (a form of government) that is creating (pardon the expression) the situation for the prayewr to be uttered, if uttered by a student, or that is actually uttering the prayer, through its employee, if uttered by a teadcher or administrator.<BR/><BR/>It ain't about prayer at football games. It's about government prayer at football games -- and I love Jesus, but I'm agin' it. I do NOT want to ever have to give equal time to Allah. What part of that do people not understand?Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125069470654714092005-08-26T10:17:00.000-05:002005-08-26T10:17:00.000-05:00To the commenter who said, if you are going to tea...<I>To the commenter who said, if you are going to teach evolution in schools, you should also give the other side of the coin, which is creationism, I must ask, does that mean that if we are going to teach that the earth is spherical we should also teach the other side--that the earth is flat????</I><BR/><BR/>No. It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the earth is not flat. Evolution, is full of holes, is an ever-changing theory and has many obvious flaws. Intelligent Design seeks to answer some of those questions that can only be answered by understanding that life comes from life. Order comes from order. Order cannot come from chaos. In science there is always a cause for the effect. In evolution this isn't the case. So let's stop playing games. If evolution is so bullet-proof then there should be no harm in an honest dialogue to get at the truth. After all, isn't that what science is supposed to be about? The truth?! Instead, there is more concern with indoctrinating people into an ideology rather than finding the truth.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902805361027735043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1125069196153634022005-08-26T10:13:00.000-05:002005-08-26T10:13:00.000-05:00While I appreciate the great hermeneutical and exe...While I appreciate the great hermeneutical and exegetical properties of your interpretation of Scripture, Jesus, quite obviously, meant here, even reading it out of context the way you have it posted, that it is not the act of praying in public that is wrong, but the attitude of wanting to be seen praying in public. If there is a public prayer at a football game, then so be it. My question is, why should there be a law against such a thing? If "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" then how can you outlaw someone's right to pray?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902805361027735043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124892317896439662005-08-24T09:05:00.000-05:002005-08-24T09:05:00.000-05:00To the commenter who said, if you are going to tea...To the commenter who said, <I>if you are going to teach evolution in schools, you should also give the other side of the coin, which is creationism</I>, I must ask, <I>does that mean that if we are going to teach that the earth is spherical we should also teach the other side--that the earth is flat</I>????Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366539087326081572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124797708218709312005-08-23T06:48:00.000-05:002005-08-23T06:48:00.000-05:00It's been a while since I've had time to look over...It's been a while since I've had time to look over the debates. But, that's what happens when work swallows up your time.<BR/><BR/>However, I am going to disagree with you as well. (Big surprise, eh?) JC, as you so well put it, was discussing hypocrisy, because the pharisee's and Saducees liked to stand out in front of their temples, tear thier clothes, and put ash on their faces. However, he knew that they were only doing it for the show. In the creator's eyes, that is wrong. Better honest hatred than false love. <BR/><BR/> There is another passage in the Bible, I'm sure that you will be able to find it. "Where two or more of you are gathered in my name, there I am." So, praying at football games or in school, I think, would fall under that scripture, for two reasons: 1) It is student driven (Much like the circle the flagpole), and student led. (No adults included.) <BR/> I am tolerant of other beliefs, only screaming loudly and waving my Rifle (Yes, that's a sarcastic remark :) ) when other people try to shut my beliefs down.<BR/> Honestly, if you are going to teach evolution in schools, you should also give the other side of the coin, which is creationism (Or Intelligent Design.) <BR/><BR/> Take for instance, the mistranslation out of the ten commandments: Thou Shalt not Kill. <BR/> A scholar has recently pointed out that the proper translation should be: Thou shalt not committ murder. <BR/> There is a difference, sometimes you have to kill to defend your life, your family, or even to eat. (Animals, not people. Even I'm not that sick.) Killing is done either for that reason, or in the defense of your country.<BR/><BR/> Murder, on the other hand, is a planned thing, designed only to take a human life and extinguish the greatest gift we've been given.Joe Wiesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246928853750647605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124778449806297942005-08-23T01:27:00.000-05:002005-08-23T01:27:00.000-05:00Hmmm. Please tell us all about Matthew 6 including...Hmmm. Please tell us all about Matthew 6 including details relating to context.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968315519418877272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124508192985528792005-08-19T22:23:00.000-05:002005-08-19T22:23:00.000-05:00Toad, I am a Christian. I'm not worth a damn at it...Toad, I am a Christian. I'm not worth a damn at it, actually, but that's beside the point.<BR/><BR/>The point: You're dead on right. <BR/><BR/>The main problem, IMHO, with the Christian Wrong is they deify the Bible, as if the concept of the Trinity wasn't difficult enough. They want a quadrophonic God!<BR/><BR/>They mistakenly call what James referred to as "working out your salvation" -- which pretty much means thinking, reasoning and meditating, admitting doubt, struggling to find the truth, but relying on the mysteries of God to see us through, as well, as something bad.<BR/><BR/>The absolute surest sign that someone has fooled himself into falsely believing he is "saved" is lack of humility. I can think of aboout one or two famous Christians who exhibit humility. And I can think of very few everyday "Christians" who exhibit such.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, if evangelical conventional wisdom about the Rapture is accurate, the sudden absence of so few people will hardly be noticed. Maybe a crawl on MSNBC for half a day.<BR/> <BR/>God help us all, and God bless you. All y'all. <BR/><BR/>--ERErudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124497937183149832005-08-19T19:32:00.000-05:002005-08-19T19:32:00.000-05:00besides I am not defending anyone I'm ridiculing t...besides I am not defending anyone I'm ridiculing the foolishCity Trollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856506005288373194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124497850503607372005-08-19T19:30:00.000-05:002005-08-19T19:30:00.000-05:00mmmm a nice soup of boiled owlmmmm a nice soup of boiled owlCity Trollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856506005288373194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124497209023226402005-08-19T19:20:00.000-05:002005-08-19T19:20:00.000-05:00hey I get my coffee from a guy named Jesus! and ye...hey I get my coffee from a guy named Jesus! and yes fuckwads, thats Geez-us, not hey-zeus. So, is this the same guy we're talking about here? Oh wait, <I>that</I> Jesus guy, yea the kids love him.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05490750070766892035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124487530872936782005-08-19T16:38:00.000-05:002005-08-19T16:38:00.000-05:00Troll, if you're going to defend the righteous rig...Troll, if you're going to defend the righteous right, you might want to re-think your grafik. You're lookin' pretty satanic there, bud. <BR/><BR/>(...of course there's always the possibility that "you", and the word "think" should never, ever appear in the same sentence.)Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124478980062438872005-08-19T14:16:00.000-05:002005-08-19T14:16:00.000-05:00well at least you know itwell at least you know itCity Trollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856506005288373194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124477884465655612005-08-19T13:58:00.000-05:002005-08-19T13:58:00.000-05:00Post comment posted comment comment on post to pos...Post comment posted comment comment on post to post a comment.<BR/><BR/>Yes I am the fool.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124477283014143692005-08-19T13:48:00.000-05:002005-08-19T13:48:00.000-05:00Toad You posted a comment with out even reading th...Toad <BR/><BR/>You posted a comment with out even reading the post you commented on.<BR/><BR/>As I said before.<BR/><BR/> I love when fools speak or express their point of view, it's always such good entertainment.<BR/><BR/>keep posting toad. <BR/><BR/>Polanco<BR/>I posted a response to your responseCity Trollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856506005288373194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124476232462185152005-08-19T13:30:00.000-05:002005-08-19T13:30:00.000-05:00Oh. My. The prayer closet. Carrie-style.Oh. My. The prayer closet. Carrie-style.lilmammalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04351427391701249260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124467664121404362005-08-19T11:07:00.000-05:002005-08-19T11:07:00.000-05:00It always amazes me that people will take one bibl...It always amazes me that people will take one bible passage as the absolute word of god (even something from the OT) to be taken literally, and then turn around and say that another passage isn't important (even if it's from the NT). But there are many Xians who really do follow Jesus. As that great rock-n-roll <I>theologian</I> Michael Stanley said, "the Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord."Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366539087326081572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124465917989606902005-08-19T10:38:00.000-05:002005-08-19T10:38:00.000-05:00Toad, great response to city. He left a similar c...Toad, great response to city. He left a similar comment on my blog and I made a post out fo my response.United We Layhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10468975489733146824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124458886716854382005-08-19T08:41:00.000-05:002005-08-19T08:41:00.000-05:00Jesus said the darndest things.Jesus said the darndest things.NewsBlog 5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/16000509600519901799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124442660395211822005-08-19T04:11:00.000-05:002005-08-19T04:11:00.000-05:00This is somewhat off the topic, butI thought you w...This is somewhat off the topic, but<BR/>I thought you would get a kick out of this: <BR/><A HREF="http://bureaucraticdaycare.blogspot.com/2005/08/satans-ten-commandments-for-parents.html" REL="nofollow">SATAN'S TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR PARENTS</A>Dani Kekoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12551545245512227602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124422643976343752005-08-18T22:37:00.000-05:002005-08-18T22:37:00.000-05:00RE: RyanOr they just call you a fool for reciting ...RE: Ryan<BR/><BR/>Or they just call you a fool for reciting the bible.<BR/><BR/>Matthew 5:<BR/>22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: <B>but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. </B>Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9410473.post-1124414456444219992005-08-18T20:20:00.000-05:002005-08-18T20:20:00.000-05:00This has always been my biggest gripe with contemp...This has always been my biggest gripe with contemporary christianity, its complete inability to latch onto even the faintest hint of consistency with their goals and message, and those of Christ.<BR/><BR/>Look at the biggest christian causes today and in the last election. Which are in line with the teachings of christ?<BR/><BR/>It is so blatently obvious that like the riddle of history has always shown, religion is a tool of oppression. The powerful use their prestige to push their own agendas, all the while using chrisitanity to dispense eternal life if you only go along with them.<BR/><BR/>Sorry Toad, just more echoes I know. Unfortunately, your analysis is just too logical for the christian believers to debate with emotional piety and blind faithfulness. <BR/><BR/>Good work on your bible research. Its nice to use Christs own words to debate his supposed "followers". I think there are so many more of these cases where the word in the bible doesn't mesh with the agenda of the right wing. I think they just hope that leftist heathens dont actually pick up their holy book to find them...Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11057174768317778827noreply@blogger.com